Wednesday, 1 December 2021

“GV” Guard’s Vans - Part # 2

 Most of the Griffith Vans were 32 feet long, the Queensland Railways “List of Classes of Coaching Rolling Stock and Description” dated 3rd January 1963 shows 34 vans with two compartments.


The average tare of these vans was 13 tons 18 cwt and they carried 20 passengers. The book shows the following running numbers were in service at the time. 634, 635, 644, 647, 696, 699, 700, 702 – 713, 716 – 730. John Armstrong Book “Brake Vans of the Queensland Railways 1864 – 1980” shows 43 vans were built from 1905. John also explains that the vans were renumbered around 1912 which may throw some light on the gap in numbers for these vans.  

BGV 726 (Black out Van) 

BGV 717 fitted with electric light.

BGV 644 (Black out Van)


 

Train 568 Coopers Plains hauled by DEL1645. 

The main difference between the small 28 ft van with one passenger compartment and the larger 32 ft van with two compartments was the luggage area, the only access was the double guard’s door.

 Model:-

Construction and painting was the same as the previous van.  This time I remembered to take a few photos before painting.






Plumbers lead sheet (approx. 1 mm thick) has been added under the floor for some weight, on the scales the van weights 64 grams.





Inside detail included seats, dog in the dog box, seated passengers in the passenger compartments, Guard standing at the door learning the road, a Guard seated, Guards Box, Goods and parcels, Hand brake lever, Sorting box and first-aid box (green) on the wall. Out of view is the emergency tap and Brake pipe gauge. Guards and Driver sheet on the counter.  

Brake gear was added under the floor, combined brake cylinder, levers and rods.


Acknowledgements.

Brake Vans of the Queensland Railways 1864 - 1980 by John Armstrong.

QR Working Time Tables

QR Plans

QR Coaching By-Laws

Australian Model Railway Association Queensland Library

QR 1963 List of Classes of Coaching Rollingstock and Description. 

As above, painting was the same as the previous van in the previous blog post.

 I think I did a better job than the previous van, maybe scribed sheet for the floor could add a bit more to the model!!!!!

 Trust you found the information helpful for your modelling projects.

 Both vans can be viewed working trains on the layout on the my YouTube channel

Stay safe until next time.

Arthur H. 




 










Tuesday, 2 November 2021

"GV” Guard’s Vans - Part #1.

Queensland Railways “List of Classes of Coaching Rolling Stock and Description” dated 3rd January 1963 lists a number of GV class Guard’s Vans. The list shows 102 vans, all except three vans are shown as having second class passenger compartments.

Five separate listings are shown for the vans with passenger accommodation. All with the exception on one van are known at “Griffith’s Vans”. The name comes from the manufacture of the first contract “Griffith Brothers” (Toowoomba Foundry). The vans are shown in four categories within three types. One, two and three passenger compartments conveying 10, 20 or 30 passengers respectably. All vans were equip with dog boxes and the one and two compartment vans were the only goods van to be fitted with coffin chambers

GV 640 (Blackout Van)

GV 725 (Blackout Van)

GV 622  (Blackout Van) 

Plans show the vans were fitted with gas lights, some notes showed a few had electric light. In the 1960’s, most vans in the class were “black out” vans, in other words they had no lights. Kerosene tail/side lights marked the end of the train at night. The Guard used his kero shunting light for his compartment. Most of the livestock vans were the same, in the late 1960’s on the Mt Isa line guards were issued with battery Latten lights when working train with these vans.   

Some of the class had electric lights fitted in the late 1960’s early 1970’s. Around the same time the vans were classified BGV, I guess to reflect they had 2nd class passenger compartments. 

GV 668 Van fitted with electric light. 

One group of 31 vans were shown as 28 feet long, tare 12 ton 15 cwt with one compartment for 10 passengers. Numbers shown are 627, 648, 650, 653, 654, 656, 657, 659, 660, 662, 668, 669, 671, 673 – 676, 678 – 681, 683, 685 – 689, 691, 692, 694, 695. There was also 5 vans with one compartment that were 32 ft long (Nos. 629, 631, 640, 642, 643). 

The vans were 7ft 6 inches wide, the timber wall boards were wider than the later vans and passenger cars.  Most vans appeared to have 4 ft 6 in Angle Iron Bogies with 2 ft 2 in wheels, some also had the bar frame bogie. Buffer did very a bit for van to van.  

GV 659 (Blackout Van)

GV 657 (Blackout Van) These two vans have bar frame bogies. 

As built the luggage compartment had double outwards swings doors fitted with windows. The 32 ft vans had a single sliding doors for the luggage compartment. 

John Armstrong book “Brake Vans of the Queensland Railways 1864 – 1980” shows 52 28 ft vans were built between 1897 and 1902. Eight 32 ft vans were built between 1902 and 1905 A plan for the van 28ft van came be found in John’s book.

BGV 631 (Blackout Van)

BGV 643 (Blackout Van) 

Photos show a few modifications surfaced over the years, In later years the doors did not have windows. Some also lost their coffin cambers and were fitted with electric light.

BGV 631. (32’ Van) Altered luggage compartment doors, coffin chamber gone and fitted with electric light. QR Logo and grey ballast hopper places the era in the mid 1970’s. It’s no longer 2nd class passenger accommodation, it’s Economy Class

I think this one could be a project down the track!! 

Wooloongabba


The transportation of dogs and corps are covered in the Coaching By-Laws, that’s item carried on passenger trains in Guards Vans and Baggage Cars.  Both were still carried by QR up to the early 2000’s. This is one of the reasons why MMV vans stayed on the western mails after two driver operation (TDO) can in. In 1970, a corps was conveyed at the rate of 10 cents per mile. Special conditions were required over 100 miles. They were allowed between Brisbane and Toowoomba (101 miles) and Gympie (106 miles) without these conditions. At one time before the rule was changed, a special stop was made at Harlaxton (99 miles) to unload coffins for Toowoomba.       

Senders of dogs needed to supple a chain to secure the dog into the dog box on guard’s vans. Other small animals such as goats and sheep will not be accepted for conveyance by passenger trains unless they are contained in suitable crates, in which case they may be loaded in either the guard’s van or dog-boxes. The Commissioner will not be responsible for the safety of dogs and other small animals and when necessary a drinking vessel must be supplied by the sender. 

The rate for conveyance of dogs in dog-boxes or Guard’s Vans which must be prepaid in all cases, were as follows in 1970. 

10 miles and under

$0.35 each

11 to 20 miles

$0.40 each

21 to 40 miles

$0.50 each

41 to 80 miles

$0.70 each

81 to 100 miles

$0.90 each

101 to 130 miles

$1.10 each

131 to 150 miles

$1.35 each

151 to 200 miles

$1.80 each

201 to 250 miles

$2.20 each

251 to 300 miles

$2.65 each

and 30c for each additional 50 miles or part thereof, but in no case shall the charge for a dog be in excess of the second class passenger fare. 

Dogs and other small animals must be removed from the station premises immediately after the arrival of the train, otherwise they will be maintained at the owner’s risk and expense; and if not claimed within three days they may be sold at auction, and the proceeds applied in payment of all expenses incurred and the balance handed to the owner or consignee. 

I have observed up to four dogs in the dog box on the Westlander at Charleville. 

Model 

For the layout I chose a 28 ft version with double luggage doors with windows. For me a short van at the back of a train looks better on a small layout. In operational prototype practice any vans were used on trains regardless of their length, at times 50 foot vans worked trains consisting of four wheeled coal hoppers. In later years conditions was placed on the weight of a van working express freight trains, I think they had to be over 16 tons tare. 


 

A spare crew is travelling passenger returning to their depot with their tucker boxes on the seat. A water bowl of drinking water for the dog has been supplied in the dog box.  Styrene blocks have been painted for goods/parcels in the luggage compartment.  


The van was built with guard’s doors open and the windows in the passenger compartment down. I think this beings a new dimension to the layout and was very prototypical for a good’s trains.  

Evergreen scribe and strip styrene was used to make the van. The roof was made to be removable. The canvas top is a washed out used tea bag and glued into place with super glue. The strips were cut three scale feet wide. 

Caintode Flats bogies, brake cylinder and buffers, the air hoses on the end and queen posts are Queensland Railway Miniatures brass parts. 

The sides and ends were airbrushed with PGC “Passenger Red” Acrylic Lacquer.

The underframe was painted with SMS (Ready to spray) Acrylic Lacquer “Chassis Black” 

After the decals were applied, sides, ends and underframe was sprayed with SMS “Flat Clear”

The roof was hand painted using Vallejo Model Color # 70.862 Black Grey. 

The van was weathered with the following

Vallejo Model Air # 71.139 US Field Drab

Vallejo Model Air # 71.133 Dirt

Vallejo Game Air # 72.762 Earth

AK # AK 723 Dust.

The paints were thinned using a mix of Vallejo Flow Improver 70%, Vallejo Thinners 30% with a couple of drops of Vallejo Retarder Medium. I mix this up in bulk and decant into smaller usable dropper bottles.  I start with the darker colours and applying the lighter colours last. So all models are not the same I will drop out one of the colours from time to time. Some modellers apply the lighter colours first and the darker colours last. I feel the darker colour has been on the vehicle longest and the lighter colours is recent dust.  

Inside was hand painted using Vallejo Model Colors.

Seats # 70.862 Black Grey

Walls # 70.860 Medium Flesh Tone.

Passenger Compartment Floor # 70.983 Flat Earth  (Lino)

Guard’s and Luggage Compartment Floor # 70.988 Khaki  (Floor boars) 

Passenger and Guard was painted using Vallejo Model Colors 

Part 2 next time will cover the construction of the 32 ft, 2 compartment van.

Acknowledgements.

Brake Vans of the Queensland Railways 1864 - 1980 by John Armstrong.

QR Working Time Tables

QR Plans

QR Coaching By-Laws

Australian Model Railway Association Queensland Library

QR List of Classes of Coaching Rollingstock and Description. 


Trust you find the information helpful and assist you in your modelling projects.

Until next posting stay safe.

Arthur H.  






Thursday, 7 October 2021

More "S" Wagons.

In my second blog on “S” Wagon back in July 2017, (Westgate - South Western Rail: S Wagon (westgateswr.blogspot.com) I indicated there was various lengths, some with 8” X 4” journal that carried heavier loads. Since then I have made three more batches of wagons, many with loads. Yes, I had falling back into my old habits by adding loads, some should be empty, thus another batch to run empty. Plus a new manufacture with a liking to older wooden wagons has been producing some very nice detailing brass parts for their kits and are available separately for guys like me building other wagons.      


Generally, S class wagons only carried a load in one direction, like logs to a saw mill and then the wagon returned empty for the next load of logs. One or two may of carry a load of timber to another destination before returning empty for another load of logs. The class had limitations due to loads they could carry, this lead the class as a go to wagon for quick easy conversation for special traffic. As branch lines closed, timber and log traffic fell off, modifications allowed the class to be adopted for other traffic quickly. Remove the stanchions and you have the base for just about anything. Removing a few floor boards increased their carrying capacity.   

This wagon was in Townsville in the late 1970’s and used as a pollution wagon between Cloncurry and Townsville diesel sheds. The end side boards remain on the wagon and the wagon kept the “S” classification.  





The wagon was scratch built from styrene sheet and Evergreen strip. Bogies buffers, bogies  and brake cylinder are Caintode Flats products. Brake pipe hoses, queen posts and drain pipe are Queensland Railway Miniatures brass parts. Rivets are Micro-mark decals. The wagon was painted with Mirotone etch primer (gloss) and weathered with Vallejo acrylic paints, at first home brew wash of black and grey was applied, followed by dry brushing grey and finally a dusting of various browns with the air brush. 

Another similar wagon was also in Northern Division at Townsville as a water wagon. At first I could not find any plans for the wagon and started building a 30 ft open underframe. Before adding the tank plans surfaced and the underframe was 26 ft. Bugger, start again and find something for the 30 ft frames.

The plan suggest only five were built. Some were classed SWP and carried petrol, I think that must have been many many years ago.   





Construction was similar to the pollution wagon, detail on top of the tank was Queensland Railway Miniatures brass etch parts. The wagon was painted with PGC acrylic lacquer QR Rollingstock Grey. Weathering was light air brush dusting using Vallejo Model Air acrylic paints.

The frames I had started for the above two wagons had underframe detail I did not wanted to hind with a floor. Plus, I normally fill under the floor with lead sheet, the extra weight on the other two wagons was in the tank. Searching the plan books and photos came up with “S” class molasses wagon used in the Northern Division.

Tanks were made from acrylic rod turned in the lathe and provided some extra weight.  




Same construction methods and parts were used as the other wagons. The frame and tank were painted separately with black Mirotone etch primer. To finish the tank off, it was painted silver using SMS acrylic lacquer paint. Weathering was applied aging the wagons differently highlighting different times for workshop visits.   


SJ wagons carry about 10 tons more that the S wagon, the wagons have longer bogies (5 ft wheel centres) fitted with 8” x 4” journals. Some have 2’ 91/2” wheels. Regardless of wheel size the floor needs to be much the same height from rail level, buffers need to line up, loading platform are a standard height etc. The larger diameter wheels are every close to the underside of the floor. On the model there is no room for adding extra weight above the wheels reducing the amount of weight that can be added out of sight. Sure, you can raise the floor height and adjust couplings etc to add weight above the wheels, but the wagon will not look right with other wagons on the train. 

Bolster stanchions are brass castings purchased from Queensland Railway Miniatures.  

This wagon is fitted with Far North Hobbies brass bogies fitted with Steam Era spoked wheels, sadly both are no longer available commercially. Caintode Flats Models has a white metal bogie with either spoked or disc wheels and Wuiske Models produce a injected moulded bogie with spoked wheels. 

To add weight to the wagon a merchant bar load was added. To make the load galvanised tie wire purchased from Bunnings (plumbing section) was used.  The wire is 250 mm long with a 1.25mm diameter, its straight in 1 kg bundles. A jig was made from styrene to form the lengths of wire into bundles, super glue was used to fix the wire lengths together. Cotton thread was used as wire ties.     

The next two wagons are 26 ft wagons with the same construction methods. The Far North Hobbies bogies are fitted with 2’ 2” wheels. The gridgers and corbels a left over from the new bridge on the layout.   



The next wagon has been built using the same parts except the bolster stanchions are scratch built. The wagon is more or less not long out of workshop with a fresh paint work. 



For a change this wagon is the three bolsters version with a weathered floor. Vallejo Model Color acrylic Khaki # 70.988 was used as a base colour.

This wagon forms part of the Breakdown Train (Westgate - South Western Rail: Breakdown Vans and Wagons. (westgateswr.blogspot.com)), the queen posts are the hardwood bean version.   

This next wagon is my “What is That” load, something to create discussion around the layout. I’m sure you have observed a passing train and a load goes past and you don’t know what it is. Often, a “one of” plant items were manufactured in engineering works for a project could fall into this group. You may recognise the main body if you have been pulled over at a RBT. It’s the blow tube attached to a breathalyser unit to check alcohol levels in motorist. The tube has been modified by adding rivets (decals), other pipes and lifting rings. The plant has be secured in a cradle for transporting.  

 If you know of something similar your comments would be appreciated.  





The wagon is fitted with double trust rods.



A recent addition to the Queensland Railway Miniatures range is the double queen post. Many of the class and other wagons carrying heavier loads had this arrangement with a truss rod on each side of the sole bar.

Brass detailing parts referred to in the post are available from Queensland Railway Miniatures via Facebook, local SEQ buy & sells and at exhibitions.

https://www.facebook.com/queenslandrailwaysminiatures.

Trust you find the information helpful and it assist you with your modelling.

Currently, the wagons are all together on a train and will be part of the next YouTube video.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJeqCUO7hR_qpv0ruPiMN_Q

 


 

Arthur H.